President Barack Obama has declared that his administration aims to make college affordable to everyone by greatly expanding government aid to middle class families. The Washington Post says that Obama’s higher education proposals, which include creating a brand new Pell Grant entitlement, “could transform the financial aid landscape for millions of students while expanding federal authority to a degree that even Democrats concede is controversial.” But what if President Obama has it backwards? What if America is sending too many people to college? A recent study found that “Nationally, four-year colleges graduated an average of just 53% of entering students within six years.” If 40 percent of students who enter college drop out before graduation and over 50 percent of students take six years to graduate, perhaps Obama is focusing on the wrong issue. Reason.tv’s Michael C. Moynihan sat down with Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) and the American Enterprise Institute’s Charles Murray, author of the recent book Real Education, to analyze how Obama’s higher-education plans will impact the economic and cultural future of the United States. Scroll down for embed code, an audio podcast, and iPod and HD versions. For a YouTube version of this video, go here.

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@idealtypical I lacked the capacity to decide what I wanted from college (& life) & channel my energy toward pursuing it. This is often mistaken for ‘a lack of work ethic’. Our present economy illustrates that ‘hard work’ only gets you so far. The USA is FILLED w/ young adults, willing & mature enough to work hard. Trouble is, nobody’s hiring them. So, they lack—along w/health ins & income—meaningful outlets for their energy/ambitions, stuck in M&D’s basement, delaying marriage, kids, adulthood.
Bullshit! Look at all the foreign students coming here for educations in science, math, technology that are financed by their govtmts. Have you been to an IT dept or hospital in the US. They are full of foreign workers because we lack education in several fields!
Ryan is here to talk you into giving it all you have to the rich
I would like to see more of that Charles Murray interview. Is there a link to a full video?
@idealtypical My college experience was similar. I went on a full-ride academic scholarship, and it still slapped me in the face. I was a double major (Chemistry/ Biology) and it took two years to figure out how to study and prioritize my time. I wasn’t partying, but my scholarship was long gone by then. I made it within four years, but I was near the top of my high school class (top 5% of 500), and I still struggled. If I went when I was 20, it would have been a much easier transition.
Paul Ryan is not a credible person on this issue. He took survivors benefits to fund his college tuition. Students in Europe go to college for near to nothing, why cant we do that here. So what if taxes are raised on the rich or even on the middle class. They get that money back by being able to send their kids to receive higher education
Murray obtained a B.A. in history from Harvard in 1965 and a Ph.D. in political science from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology in 1974.[3]
So he gets his educations and then tells us not to get educated.
Where would he be without that education. Working at Walmart part-time, greeting people.
@gracilism That was def. true of me. @ 18 I wasn’t CLOSE to ready for college, but there I was, because it was expected of me. I wasn’t even mature enough to consider a year off. It didn’t occur to me: no active pressure—I simply knew that not going would’ve FREAKED my parents out.
What you’re calling a ‘mature work ethic’ I’d simply call maturity. Whatever it was, I didn’t have it & I knew it. I wasn’t lazy or dumb, Like many so-called middle-class kids, I’d come from a sheltered background, &
@idealtypical Education takes a basic knowledge, from which to build on, and a mature work ethic. This is where many 18 year olds fall short. Thus, are not ready to handle college.
govt blowing up the college tuition market just like they did for the housing market by giving everyone loans that cant pay it back
most jobs don’t need a college education. What a waste of resources. And with everyone having a college degree, now we need it just to work at Starbucks
I’m a college student right now and it’s a pain in the ass trying to get together federal, state, government grants for college, all of which distort the sticker price and complicate college financing. I ABSOLUTELY agree with Murray’s position as well. Some people don’t belong here– they’ve been shipped over by many well-intentioned high school counselors who have spent their whole lives idolizing academia.
Aww.. Paul Ryan is sooo dreamy….
i always love looking at the books behind the speaker…
@thomaserossi I know what you mean. People who have some brains and some common sense knows that goal of college isn’t to educate, but to stamp out creativity, individuality, independent thinking, and good old common sense. There are many graduates who only got a piece of paper worth 100k of debt to show for their qualifications. Shit, it’s a legalized racket, I tell you. If you are one of those people that went to college with massive debt left over, warn others about the college con.
Charles Murray is no saint. For you guys who DON’T know who he is, Charles Murray is a Leftist who believes in Eugenics and worked with Saul Alinsky as a Community Organizer who tried to start a Marxist Revolution in America. The simple fact that he sees what’s happening is because he helped cause it. I don’t trust this guy in the very least.
@1XMarksSpot – True. Very true. Government-backed student loans, grants, and tax dollars supporting schools have flooded dollars into the College system which in turn has allowed Leftist stupidity to reach its apex. People come out of college believing that taxes inherently create wealth, success, and a better world. All the while those who don’t go live in the real world, pay taxes, and see the suffering it causes.
@thomaserossi Government-back student loans unleashed the college hounds to take all the $
Paul Ryan is just as big government as obama. he voted for the patriot act and his budget plan just shuffles money around for big business.
@TenseAlcyoneus Prob because their public schools failed them so the professors have to work harder to get the kids to catch up.
@redblue18700 How about you just improve your High schools instead? That would be the place to start, not college.
My only criticism is that we’re competing with the rest of the world, and people need knowledge of the world. Just look at how few Americans understand basic biology, evolution, or economics? We need everyone who can do, to go to college, we just need it to be cheaper if it’s not job related.
@dadecountyhustler305 — I guess I’m what you might call a progressive, & I agree with your first point wholeheartedly.
I have to disagree, however, w/the suggestion that progressives have the market cornered on making bullshit claims re ‘what the founders would have wanted’. As for ‘equality’, Adams & Jefferson, e.g., did favor state-funded education for bright kids from poor households.
But today’s edu. system would be almost unrecognizable to them, as would its bloated systems of financing.
@idealtypical Yes, but in no way, shape or form does it hint towards using the tax payers dollars for funding college education… at the expensive of others
This is what pisses us conservatives off whenever you hear some say. “equality like the founding fathers wanted”… These progresvies dont understand America…
@dadecountyhustler305 — Not sure exactly what you mean to respond to & in what way you mean ‘utopia visionaries’. That they wanted to eradicate vestiges of title, privilege & birthright like aristocracy & state-sponsored clergy is inarguable. In that sense, they were just about as radically ‘Utopian’ as could be.
Yet. they weren’t ‘pie-in-the-sky’ dreamers, but practical men—autodidacts—who would look in horror @ today’s higher ed—& ‘credentialing’—as puffed-up, pretentious &, yes, European.